I do not have to state anything at the beginning of the blog. Diane was right-handed. This unhealthy marriage survived and became a daily struggle. ?.the fact you are ignoring something SO OBVIOUS is a red flag. During his travels, he visited prisons and spoke against this type of barbarism because his father was imprisoned for a debt of 40 pounds and 10 shillings when he was twelve years. Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. What about the terror of being interrogated by strangers and separated from her family? I couldnt get my hands on the book nor find anything in librariesso basically it was many years later I dove into knowing more about this case, that kinda haunted me. The problem was, Diane has a long-documented history of adversely reacting to tranquilizing drugs. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. I have watched her parole hearing. Cheryl was shot twice in the back and one of the bullets ended up on the floorboard. I am a true crime junkie. It is called a conflict of interest. Foster Carers says either Australia or England to me. It could be argued that he developed a relationship with the children and genuinely wanted them to join his family. A reader told me that I should have a website with all the comments. Which is itself a redundant practise: the blogger repeatedly states that Downs should be released. But the fact that the prosecutor called her a deviant sociopath in court without any assessment became another nail in her coffin. Bannon, a former adviser . My opinion of why Mr. Hugi adopted Christie and Danny was to seal their lips. I am glad that some articles remain. A test for the presence of gunshot residue conducted on Dianes hands the night of the shooting, returned a negative result (Appendix 23). Ive been trying to decipher her handwriting on the couple of pages she wrote to her daughter (misquoted on here somewhere is a highlighted If you love your little boy, youll take him far away from here- why is this being taken as a threat and not a warning?!). How was DD able to get away from CK and get the keys back into the ignition without there being more attempts on her life? Steve made some piss poor choices when he had visitation with the kids after the shooting; he permitted them to go off alone with Dianne, when she was not supposed to have had any contact at all with the children. http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf. The blogger continues, I am not one sided. No gun, no blood or gun residue on her and if she shot them, these elements should have been there. Being bipolar, she had no impulse control so it should not have surprised anyone. Not hard to go there. Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. She was also shot twice andifshe had been sitting up, the seats would have been covered with blood spatter as well as the shooter. Diane had learned from nine months of interaction with Knick, that the man was consistent only in his inconsistency. Right away, the police asked her to go back to the crime scene even thoughshe did not want to leave her children behind. This case had many similarities to the Alice Crimminsstory. The towel and a girl who had a stroke, was separated from her family and was constantly questioned without being recorded or accompanied by a loved one and testifying to facts that do not match the testimony of the forensic expert is not being reduced to conjecture? They felt safe there. It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. That conflict of interest alone would incline Christie to testify against her mother. Or that they are not even curious about it. She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system. What about the fact that they never found the gun? I just read your opinion on the Pamela Smart case and the Scott Peterson case. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago, considering her good behavior and lack of priors. It would be about November 20th that you would have gone back with Charlene, what, the next day? There are no facts? From what Ive read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75. It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. I care about what was said at trial. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. I watched the highlights of her hearing. I personally dont think she is innocent but that isnt the point. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it: opinion, not fact The people who implemented lockdowns would never be anywhere near public policy again. WTF? A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. The Diane Downs' Case Was no Small Sacrifice On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. She claimed she . How asinine. But the high profile nature of the case might hinder the process. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. He failed. Wasnt it speculative on their part? Considering the lack of evidence, it seems that she was condemned mostly because of herinappropriatestatements and behavior. In what world is that O.K. The lawsuit against Ann Rule was thrown out as unfounded because after reading her book they could find no inconsistencies She sat thru the entire trial AND used actual court transcripts. Wednesday, March 1, 2023: Today on General Hospital, Obrecht is furious with both Liz and Scott, Finn offers to stand by Liz, and Sonny and Dex bond over a meal. When your goal is to call me dude, insult my name and trash my blog, you can go on other sites who will love to spar with you while swallowing the old narrative of high profile cases. Diane needs some serious spiritual advancement and atonement before she ever will have or deserve peace. Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. You cant possibly shake off all the gun powder residue and avoid all the blood. If a person were innocent of the crime they were convicted of this puts them in a no-win situation. There is only one major problem with your scenario. 2.Diane herself has stated that the shooter was outside the car and shot THROUGH the window, no blood spatter. So it was a relentless game totry to reel her in. Some would say that Diane Downs was condemned because of her lies and inconsistencies, but I think that it was mostly because of her disturbing demeanor and brash personality. It isnt there all the time. Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. They were traumatized and needed familiar faces to feel safe. The answers to those questions do not matter anymore. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. Basically then at that Im not saying I know for a fact in my mind shes innocentbut there is NOT enough evidence for her to be guilty. As a result, joint legal custody which means parents share in the decision-making 1 is becoming the default decision in many family court systems. Now Diane Downs did not say any of this, but told a hard to believe story, and then changed it from one to two masked guys, etc. Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. It turned out to be a mistake because he was married to a County Circuit Court Judge who would become a colleague of Foote and he had no intention of defending Diane vigorously. A steel plate had to be attached and some lead fragments were removed. It sounds like Diane was trying to tell her to stay away from bad influences. Sheriffs Deputy Roy Pond admitted in court that he had already concluded that Diane was guilty and stopped following leads on the orders of his sergeantthree weeks after the shooting. But if the blogger is arguing that the blog is balanced and objective, thats patently untrue. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? And it is not like these two were white as snow. If Oregonians were not all convinced at first, the media and the crown made sure they would be. And Robert Knickerbocker became one of her lovers. As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. Danny was the product of an affair. In an earlier comment you stated that Diane had met all of the requirements for parole. Her release was recommended by a warden and a psychiatrist. The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. That towel should have been soaked in their blood not hers. Her family supported her. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. Why on earth would anyone recommend leaving the kids with the grandparents? Everything was in the bag and ready for trial. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business: argumentative They should have had ongoing contact and been placed with family as soon as they were out of the hospital and they never should have been interviewed without their own attorney (Guardian ad Litem) present. She even became a surrogate mother to make money and provide two parents the opportunity to have a child. They should have taken the time necessary to find enough evidence. But you sure did comment like a true asshole, huh? The way Christie was coached did not correspond to the reality of the direct evidence. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. then later you ask how diane didnt have any blood splatter on her when she was inside the car when she shot her kids??? She was expelled and reunited with him against her parents wishes. This test confirmed Diane had not held a gun. Page 40 of Case History. she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. If there is a fair trial and sentencing, I usually dont write about a case, but high profile cases tend to need more scrutiny because emotions run high. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. What would have been the conclusion to have drawn without this hate campaign? She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife). She then went through the State (Circuit) Court habeas corpus relief for four years to no avail. So she warns her to stay away. Another conflict of interest. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. Hugi did not want that. Sonny arrives at his restaurant and gives Dex, who is there, the night off. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. And she would have been under supervision. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. Rule made up stories to sell books and the rights to a movie. So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis. A fair trial is a right in this country, not a judicial suggestion. The point is our trials need to be conducted fairly and based on evidence. And if he really was attached to them and wanted to offer them a permanent home, it means he was unfit to be the prosecutor in this case. Thanks for posting for readers. Why did CK shoot the kids multiple times and DD once? And after Diane left Arizona she didnt call Knick to inquire about his love, but rather about when he would repay the $500 (Appendix 81, pages 1479-1480). If I was of a mind to manipulate the Board by giving voice to the words they want me to utter, Id have sold my soul two decades ago when the lies would have benefited me and my youth passed long ago. He has lived a life outside the public eye and hasn't ever come out to give interviews to the media about his ex-wife. The forensic evidence alone is absolutely weak. I think that she has done enough time and should be released. It was also said at trial that the shooter would have been left handed, which was not the case for Diane. Yeah, Ive noticed a lot of people thing Jim Jagger is Fred Hugi. At the very least, she should have been released by now. The reason she is likely locked up is because she was diagnosed with narcissistic, histrionic and anti social personality disorder, that makes her a very dangerous person (especially since she is a murderer). They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. I see that Downs had a parole hearing in late 2020 but I cant see the outcome. Growing up, Diane had felt like an outsider and kids had been cruel towards her because of her real or imagined ugly duckling looks and demeanor. It probably was not salacious enough for her readers that she polled online to establish if there was enough interest in the story to fill her pockets with a definite blockbuster. And according to the law, she should have been released by now, independently of what she says or not. It surely was not due process. What man has ever publicly revered a former secret mistress? The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? A prosecutor inventing a new psychiatric category in court and labeling the accused is kind of unsettling. Regina, I love your comment! He could not during the marriage so he walked away. After all, Cheryl Downs is basically serving a life sentence with no possibility of parole for her mothers crime. There was a lot of evidence pointing at OJ. Yet, that is exactly what the videotape showsDiane laughing hysterically about hurting her arm. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorneys office. I dont know that it could get worse than writing an asinine comment on a restorative justice website that states that only respectful and constructive comments will be posted. Van Houten has made her choices and needs to own up to her actions and stop putting all the blame on drugs and Manson. I agree. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. Like in their movies. There is no way that a jury would convict Diane today, based on the clearly coached testimony of Christie. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. I actually can relate to things she did and was like, especially chasing after a guy that dont want youi did one night stands during my chase..to try to get over himits was a dumb idea and really made things worse, but it made sense at the time. No conflict of interest there? Just goes to show how difficult it is sometimes to find the truth. 4.Diane was NOT arrested for almost a year after the shootings the d.a. She took care of herself not her children. In the spring of 1986, Christie confided to school mates that shed been coerced to lie in court, to implicate her mother (Appendix 1-2). The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information It was a dark and rural road. Q. I mention in my blog that when her adoptive dad said that she was coerced and thats why she said she did not know who shot them, that of course she was because this is what she does when under pressure. I know better now than to accept blindly the truth presented to us on a silver platter by the media and the judicial system. The photo of Hugi I used is the one you find when you do a search online for Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs. I am a firm believer of where there is smoke there is fire. I think that you are right about certain things not being ignored. But you told Diane Downs to go ahead and get an apartment? It appeared rigged: Rigged? Back to DD, I think she suffered some kind of mental breakdown, her account of the facts was never reliable, all the case appears murky, which points to an incompetent handling of the situation by the police and justice system. In her book Heart Full of Lies, Rule took so many liberties with the facts that Liysa Northon sued her. He is in his 70s now and his photo is not on his linkedin or anywhere I could find. She even provided the police with her own sketch. This whole tale is just unbelievable. I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. She. I am pointing them out. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. Saying that I seem to be doing what I accuse Ann Rule of doing is kind of ironic because the point of this blog is to try to stay away from innuendo and fantasies like unicorns and songs that might have been playing or not during a tragic murder. Just saw the video of Dianes parole hearing. 6. I point out some obvious facts and discrepancies, and that due process was shoved aside because the state and the media presented a guilty image right from the start. And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. Surely before Diane downs, there were other mothers who killed their kids..or allegedly did, however in 83 and 84 it made national news, nothing quite like it had come across the media world, which during that decade was really skyrocketing in sensationalismI believe is where it started, becoming less news and more entertainment. 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